Learned Helplessness Theory Part 2/2 | Weekend Podcast #22

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John Carter
John Carter
7 months ago

Be doers of the world

Muleran
Muleran
7 months ago

Siri show me someone trying to explain something they don't understand

Anton Girdeux
Anton Girdeux
7 months ago

If I had to guess, if there was any evolutionary reason for learned helplessness, it’d be to cope with a bad situation. It’s easier if you just say “it cant be helped. This is my life now. I can’t do anything about it.”

Dave4444424
Dave4444424
7 months ago

I don't think my mum would approve

Skeptic Fucker
Skeptic Fucker
7 months ago

Learned helplessness + forced recreation

Mandilyn Cartwright
Mandilyn Cartwright
7 months ago

I grew up hungry poor, along with many in my class. In JR high our school got a grant to visit the wealthy part of Seattle, several times. We ate a 8 course meal, went to museums, the space needle. We had 15 4.0GPAs. the class under us had not even one. Many of our classmates are successful. Many of my younger brothers were murdered. Maybe those who are most disadvantaged, just need hope for escape

Drachona The Wolf
Drachona The Wolf
7 months ago

The best advice I would give anyone when you're dealing with studies is: read them. Don't just believe what's being said, especially if you can't read the full study. A lot of them use plenty of jargon, but you don't have to have a degree in the field to check whether or not there are problems with the thesis, the methodology, the results, or the conclusions. Just come at it logically.

FlapJack NI
FlapJack NI
7 months ago

This may explain some behaviour, but there are bad actors using victimhood as a weapon.

MK Balefire
MK Balefire
7 months ago

Great podcast guys. To address a question you guys raised, I have a theory as to why this phenomenon would exist on an evolutionary basis. Pretty simple one actually. For tens of thousands of years, people were captured, subjugated, or enslaved. (Nothing to do with racial slavery). The ones that were predisposed to this pattern of behavior were more likely to survive. This applies to both men and women, but more so women. i.e. Vikings raided village and capture some women. The ones that fight back too often and won't submit, get thrown off the ship at sea. Same thing applies to war captives. Those more likely to "give up" and submit were more likely to survive long enough to reproduce. This is probably widespread enough and went on long enough throughout human history that it has had a tangible impact on a large portion of the population. I imagine this is not entirely dissimilar to the evolutionary underpinnings of Stockholm Syndrome. (This is an off the cuff idea and I don't have any credentials to back this up, although it would be fascinating for somebody with such expertise to flesh this out. If you do please keep me posted.)

Robert Lewis
Robert Lewis
7 months ago

so people who can't deal with little things can't deal with big things?

Robert Gilsenan
Robert Gilsenan
7 months ago

Explaining to each other something from your area of expertise is a brilliant Idea. I would like to see more of this in future.

Robany Bigjobz
Robany Bigjobz
7 months ago

Fantastic video! This puts real neuroscientific evidence behind why socialism and other forms of governmental interference in people's lives and society never work. Such things target the symptoms instead of trying to teach people the tools to fix things for themselves.

mystery guest
mystery guest
7 months ago

Wholesome thumbnail

Arianna Lockwood
Arianna Lockwood
7 months ago

Another thought-stimulating session with the Lotus Eaters. Carl is to be congratulated for assembling the smartest and most beautiful team of men on the internet (including him, of course). These are the bros with the most.

And this is a lovely analysis of the essential nature of black people.

Scott W
Scott W
7 months ago

Even lefties like Tim Pool has pointed to studies in the past done on conservatives and leftists on topics such as environmental practices etc. What was consistent in these studies is the hypocritical practices of the left, being actually less likely to recycle or doing something for the environment, in the terms of race the leftists would talk 'down to' those they felt were inferior compared to conservatives who would not, at least initially do so when talking to someone.

Pez
Pez
7 months ago

Yes, I can see why people are making those homoerotic fanfic comics of these two.

wraht
wraht
7 months ago

I think the answer to the question of if this Learned Helplessness existed before modern society… I think boils down to if you had this theory happen… you didn't make it long enough to prove it existed.

I don't want a channel I'm just commenting
I don't want a channel I'm just commenting
7 months ago

Imagine growing up in an abusive home. The child learns helplessness. If the child is gotten into a sport, they can quickly realize that generally the outcome of the game has nothing to do with the amount of their personal effort, reinforcing their learned helplessness. Things like the lottery, tv sports, voting, all reinforce learned helplessness.

The people will not rebel is they have bread because they are not hungry, the people will not rebel if they have circus, because they have learned helplessness.

OGL clips
OGL clips
7 months ago

maybe you guys know about it but bret weinstein published something a few years ago on the fact that the reproduction of lab mice was biased by the fact that most of the experiments used rats from the same lab and those rats had basically hyper-evolved over generations to survive in labs, based on prior experiments done to their ancestors. this revelation kinda discredits a lot of lab rat studies, i think specifically related to cancer, because the fact that those studies favored a certain structural advantage incentivized its presence in future generations of the mice. not sure what it has to do with politics but it's an interesting thing that somehow no one pointed to until recently.

batterista
batterista
7 months ago

When the fuck are you guys going to talk about the rise of tyranny and the loss of our freedoms?! What the fuck does it take? The whole covid thing is a BS excuse for draconian police state measures not seen since 1917 Russia, 1930s Germany & the East German state. We are on the verge of vaccine passports for travel and work etc. A vaccine developed in record time utilizing experimental tech that could permanently alter your DNA. A vaxx for a benign disease that 99.97% recover from and that only takes those out in LTC for the most part. For a disease w/ avg age of death at 86 where I’m at. WAKE THE FUCK UP NOW. POUR ICE COLD WATER OVER SARGON THE USELESS. TELL HIM TO CHECK OUT DAVE CULLEN’S BRILLIANT WORK. YOU KNOW? COMPUTING FOREVER. QUIT PONCING AROUND WITH YOUR PHONEY HIGHBROW DISCOURSE. THERE’S NO TIME FOR THAT. THE FREEDOM SHIP IS SINKING. WAKE. THE. FUCK. UP. NOW!

Mute Stream
Mute Stream
7 months ago

Hugo's goofy laugh = Endorphins for my soul

Matty Breeze
Matty Breeze
7 months ago

I imagine that learned helplessness is evolutionarily advantageous. Perhaps something like…

my back hurts -> rest, maybe it'll get better
back still hurts -> keep resting, maybe it'll get better
back still hurts -> can't do anything about it must hunt or die.

Troublechutor
Troublechutor
7 months ago

I assume you are passionate about this topic or at least this sphere of academic interest.
Why do you sound so fucking bored?

Hotcakes
Hotcakes
7 months ago

"Their actions are inconsistent with their behaviour"
Now THAT'S a scientific phenomenon worth investigating!

Trent Rho
Trent Rho
7 months ago

If helplessness is the default, why does the fetus flee the abortionists instruments?

BL Kirk
BL Kirk
7 months ago

Great subject and conversation. I have a theory that learned helplessness can be a product of parental and familial neglect. I won't go into details on such mechanisms here, but would posit correlation of higher levels of learned helplessness to substantially higher levels of childhood neglect. It seems almost normal now to effectively abandon children in their own homes. In extreme cases, I could see the effects becoming a lifelong hurdle challenging the mental health services we try to provide.

Rise from your GRAVE
Rise from your GRAVE
7 months ago

I think it makes perfect sense that social animals are helpless by default. Imagine an infant that will randomly run away or fight arbitrary stimulae. The parents need to teach the child what to do and when. The real issue is we aren't teaching people they are the masters of their own fate, but instead to trust in institutions and to do as they are told.

Roy Munson
Roy Munson
7 months ago

Living Organisms identify threats to their gene pools, it's a part of basic DNA…Claiming this discernment is 'Racism', in a majority of the cases is a sign of 'trigger' virtue signaling.

Pengalen
Pengalen
7 months ago

Yeah, none of that is helpful, and it is especially unhelpful that the both of you continually act like schooboys.

Jeezus Christ! You can help your self by acquiring these (relatively immutable and improperly moralized) traits.
Yeah, that makes sense.

u8qu1tis
u8qu1tis
7 months ago

Given that personality traits are more heritable than not, and learned helplessness is affected by personality, wouldn't there be some heritable component to this?
Am I backwards? Does learned helplessness affect personality, vice versa, or is it a mix?

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